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You are here: Home / Guest Appearance / #220 – An Interview with Shaun Meehan – Doctiloquent Dove Deployer

#220 – An Interview with Shaun Meehan – Doctiloquent Dove Deployer

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ShaunMeehanOfPlanetLabsWelcome Shaun Meehan of Planet Labs!

  • Shaun has two large industrial robots named FRED and Lefty.
  • He used the Whistled from Limpkin to create the WhistleBot. Future planes are to calculate location based upon a snap or dog clicker.
    [tube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etKIbUnqIOA[/tube]
  • FRED was won in an online auction and transported from Connecticut to Coloardo. It was listed in the wrong category so it was cheaper than normal, ($700 vs $10K) but the freight calculations were not included (almost $2K).
  • Lefty was formerly owned by the FIRST Robotics team teacher at Shaun’s HS. It was also locked up, which led Shaun to learn lockpicking. When the EPROM burned out, Lefty was given to Shaun.
  • The robots are still in Colorado but will hopefully be transported to CA soon. Shaun thinks somewhere in industrial space in Oakland. Chris was trying to remember the name of Bluesprout, a new incubator/co-working/living space.
  • Both robots are IRB2000 models from ABB. Shaun also has a 2 axis piece in SF currently.
  • The power was a large problem when getting started. It came in on 100A at 220V, single phase service. Shaun converted this into 220V 3 phase. Then this was stepped up with a 3 phase transformer bought from some hillbillies.
  • The voltages between 48V and 1KV is terrifying to Shaun because the equipment doesn’t seem well suited to the task of handling stuff that can kill you. Above 1kV, all the equipment looks like the stuff Photonic Induction uses.
  • Shaun grew up in Fort Collins (north), near Colorado State University. His neighbors were professors there.
  • He built his own kitchen timer rocket launcher and also cooked up the rocket fuel in the kitchen.
  • Then he moved to Melbourne for 6 months.
  • In high school he worked at the lasers workshop at CSU. He was making optics mounts, vacuum chambers and more on the CNC mill.
  • This lab was developing and commercializing high power XUV lasers. These operate around 100 Hz and at a wavelength of 46.9 nm (or less).
  • Another neighbor traded Shaun yardwork for a superconductor. He went down to AirGas to get liquid nitrogen (apparently anyone can).
  • After the lab, Shaun applied to be general assistant at South Pole. A friend gave hints on how to get into the program such as working at Tractor Supply Company (TSC) on heavy equipment and doing a deep snow survival course.
  • He got into the program to be an assistant and flew down to the McMurdo Station on the coast. On the first trip out to the South Pole the plane had a “rough” trip.
  • Once on site, he was an iron worker, helping build new buildings. Construction only happens from November to February. Temperatures are -20F on a good day.
  • One benefit of the job was getting to pick the brains of scientists stationed there. Cool projects included the bicep team and neutrino (Ice Cube) team.
  • The neutrino team puts basketball sized photomultiplier tubes (the ones they use are called DOMs – Digital optical module) down into the ice. Then they observe Cherenkov Radiation and back calculate where it is coming from.
  • Seeing neutrinos gives an indication of where to look for supernovas. Chris though this might be how they know that Eta Carinae is going to go hypernova “soon”.
  • While fixing the N64 at the comms shop, Shaun found out the comms tech couldn’t stay on over winter. He applied and stayed as a the tech.
  • He also went back the following year after becoming disillusioned with school after one semester. Overall Shaun spend 24 months on the ice.
  • While at the South Pole there isn’t much communication for internet. They can use the TDRS satellite for parts of the day.
  • When Shaun went back to school he got dropped into a dropped into lab with working on high power RF and laser work. The laser could pulse 50kV at 20kA, which it then steps up to 150kA pulse, discharges through capilary. A Z-pinch generates the laser.
  • These are controlled using shady Russian Thyratron, a Deuterium filled valve with a 5 nS commutation.
  • A friend passing through town told Shaun he had just left startup in SF. He applied and was hooked and then dropped his research program. He was the 3rd electrical engineer at Planet Labs, formerly Cosmogia.
  • Dove 1 and Dove 2 launched before Planet Labs came out of stealth.
  • The Goal of Planet Labs: image the entire earth once per day.
  • The satellites are in a sun synchronous orbit.
  • The cameras on board currently capture 1 fps and have a 3-5m resolution. This allows you to count trees, not but not cars (alleviating privacy concerns).
  • The 3U cubesat has dimentions of 10x10x30cm.
  • Radio system is X band, has it’s own downlink at ground stations.
  • 12 iterations on the doves since company iteration
  • Shaun does image compression using FPGAs.
  • ITAR controlled, soon will be controlled by commerce instead of DOD
  • Largest constellation of earth observing satellites.
  • They have artist in residence who makes art that is laser etched those onto outside panels of the Doves.
  • Planet.com has some great images. The image used for this show was a shot of SF.
  • The benefit of regular captures is you can watch timelapse of data. This is useful for tracking agriculture, natural disasters and a lot more.
  • Satellites have 3 methods of attitude control
    • Rotate to get more drag using the solar panels (because there is atmosphere)
    • 4 Reaction wheels, can slow or speed up the normally 4000 rpm to generate inertial.
    • 3 Orthogonal coils can use magentics to align with the earth.
  • The Imaging / Verification is done with a Kalman filter (to calculate absolute position). The filter accepts inputs from:
    • Gyroscopes
    • Magnetometers
    • Photodiodes on the outside of the craft
    • A star camera
    • Picture of the earth (compared to what they think they should be seeing)
  • There are only 3 or 4 people in mission control. Much is done by optimizer code. All scheduling and ground stations are autonomous.
  • 28 satellites from Flock One launched from ISS, the biggest simultaneous deployment of earth imaging satellites ever.
  • The engineers hooked into the Yo app, which triggers each time the satellite says makes first contact.
  • Planet Labs piggybacks on launch service providers, buying their spare space – US, Russian, Dnepr Rocket, ISS commercial resupply
  • They are doing Agile aerospace: Make lots of stuff quickly and see what does and doesn’t work. This allows them to use the most advanced processors in space because they don’t stress about RadHard parts (but measure to make sure things are still working).  This also means it’s OK to lose a satellite or two — that means they are pushing the envelope.
  • The company was an offshoot of the PhoneSat program.
  • Shaun recently developed a MPPT for the onboard solar cells. They went concept to integration in 3 weeks (launch took a lot longer)
  • Monitoring is key:
    • There are 60 temp sensors inside the satellite
    • Every voltage rail has an ADC measuring it
    • Every device can have short circuit protection and monitoring
  • The Dove 4 spacecraft is still awaiting deployment in an Italian spacecraft.
  • The temperatures experienced are surprising: Internal parts experience 40-70 C. Solar (external) panels experience -100 to 100C.
  • To Chris’s surprise, Planet Labs is a VHDL shop for writing code for their FPGAs.
  • They are currently hiring RF engineers (and more!).

Thanks to Shaun for sharing his crazy experiences and his work on satellites. Read more about Planet Labs or check out some of Shaun’s blog posts about robots over at Logic Low.

Comments

  1. rasz_pl says

    October 15, 2014 at 11:26 am

    too short!
    also when can I see a movie based on Shauns life?
    amazing show

    • Chris Gammell says

      October 15, 2014 at 11:33 am

      Agree. We were talking after the show about how we didn’t get a chance to talk about the FPGA control of Lefty and FRED, nor the “Dear Santa” letter that Shaun sent to ADI (and they delivered on).

  2. Jonathan Whitaker says

    October 16, 2014 at 5:00 am

    Great episode! Far and away the coolest guest I’ve heard so far 😛

  3. Rob Crowther says

    October 16, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Absolutely mind blowing. Wow.

  4. John Ridley says

    October 16, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    I wanna be Shaun when I grow up. Oh right, too late 🙁

    • Todd Harrison says

      October 18, 2014 at 4:00 pm

      @John Ridley, Isn’t that the truth!

  5. Chris Lamb says

    October 18, 2014 at 7:14 am

    This is my all time favorite show thus far…. The way you choreographed this interview was perfect – the content never stagnated and it progressed perfectly into deeper topics. Just when I thought the show was about to end after a wrapping up a highly interesting topic, you opened another topic with Shawn – I am so looking forward to listening to this episode again. Even more so, I am looking forward to future interviews you may have with Shawn.
    Great Job! Thank you for all you do!

    • Chris Lamb says

      October 18, 2014 at 7:33 am

      My apologies for misspelling Shaun’s name in my post.

  6. Pixel_K says

    October 19, 2014 at 10:53 am

    I won’t say that it was the best episode ever, because that would be mean for the former (and awesome) guests. But that has to be the most EPIC !
    Robots, rockets, lasers, Antarctic, satellites, oh and electronics. Not even Mythbusters can compete. The only thing missing are sharks (mounted with the aforementioned lasers).

  7. Matt Heilman says

    October 20, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    Amazing episode, every moment was packed with information and excitement.

  8. Alvin Dulcan says

    October 21, 2014 at 10:57 am

    I work for a satellite company, and this is so much different than typical aerospace. It would be really exciting, but it is a start-up and it would have to be your life. It seems that work is Shaun’s life, even when it is his own work. Most of us compromise and become adults. He never grew up, but his toys are amazing. I would like to know more about the costs for construction, licenses, launch, etc.

  9. chexclaim says

    October 21, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    I never had a superhero.. until now!

    Superb show, thank you. Looking forward to part II

    Regards, CH!

  10. Pete says

    October 22, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    Awesome episode! What a great example of what it means to be an engineer – Shaun, you’re an inspiration!!! Definitely one of the best episodes, along with the episode with Vincent Hempe. Looking forward to many more…

  11. Felipe says

    October 24, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    I agree, shame Dave wasn’t in on this one. By far my favourite episode, amazing guest

  12. Brentley says

    October 27, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Shaun should get his own podcast! I could listen to that dude “ramble” for months. nice job.

  13. Chris Gammell says

    October 27, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    We send (almost) all of our guests a microphone and I ask all of them to start their own shows. None have taken me up on it yet though.

  14. Kevin McEnhill says

    October 29, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    Planet Labs had 26 Doves on the Antares rocket that went boom.

    https://www.planet.com/pulse/space-is-hard/

  15. WowMom says

    November 12, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    I loved the interaction between Chris and Shaun. They spoke the same language and had the same energy level. It was a very interesting, upbeat and enjoyable podcast.

  16. Bob McCuiston says

    November 13, 2014 at 8:50 am

    I have listened to this so many times .. its depressing how much he has done in comparison.

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