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#420 – An Interview with Joe Long

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Welcome Joe Long of Hackerboxes!

  • Chris and Joe met (in person) at the vendor area of DEF CON 26
    • 0h 0m 26s
  • Hackerboxes is a subscription service for people who want to build electronics!
    • 0h 1m 15s
  • It’s not solely security focused, but often has elements of security.
    • 0h 3m 3s
  • It’s also not just getting started folks
    • 0h 4m 7s
  • Used to teach engineering
    • 0h 6m 9s
  • Joe started as an engineer, going to school at CalTech
    • 0h 7m 3s
  • AppleII on BBS
    • 0h 7m 9s
  • Eventually Joe got into IP law
    • 0h 7m 34s
  • He wanted to build a service the helped Build up the lab
    • 0h 8m 49s
  • Model car kit vs Lego kit
    • 0h 10m 42s
  • Most suggestions come from users
    • 0h 15m 41s
  • Sourcing
    • 0h 17m 25s
  • Theme sometimes come after the fact
    • 0h 17m 47s
  • Constraints
    • Under a pound
    • Fit in the box shape (10 inches)
    • Cost constraint
    • Educational
    • Coolness
    • 0h 18m 42s
  • Yagi antenna in HB0023
  • Don’t ship power supplies/ batteries
    • 0h 22m 9s
  • FAQ
    • 0h 25m 50s
  • Wielding electricity
    • 0h 30m 41s
  • Hackerboxes team
    • 0h 32m 39s
  • They employ someone in Shenzhen to help with sourcing from China
    • 0h 35m 31s
  • IP attorney
    • 0h 41m 0s
  • Do you really want a patent?
    • 0h 44m 22s
  • patents are sometying you use to protect and asset to sell it
    • 0h 44m 58s
  • chattel
    • 0h 45m 35s
  • copyright is a simple form of IP
    • 0h 45m 58s
  • useful, non obvious
    • 0h 47m 58s
  • Patent troll
    • 0h 48m 50s
  • Using a patent as a hammer
    • 0h 50m 8s
  • just to get started, 6 figures
    • 0h 50m 48s
  • Silicon Valley episode about the Patent Troll
    • 0h 51m 53s
  • Will try to talk them out of it
    • 0h 54m 8s
  • Disclosure meeting
    • 0h 54m 46s
  • 6 wheels instead of 4
    • 0h 55m 8s
  • “Need in the art”
    • 0h 55m 15s
  • “Unexpected result”
    • 0h 55m 33s
  • Novel is “necessary but not sufficien”
    • 0h 55m 51s
  • Utility patent – useful, novel and non obvious
    • 0h 57m 1s
  • Limited monopoly
    • 0h 59m 35s
  • patent office is giving a “reason for allowance”
    • 0h 59m 43s
  • Joe writes claims that capture the engineering terms
    • 1h 3m 27s
  • Don’t want to allow people to “design around”
    • 1h 4m 6s
  • Patent attorneys see new products every 4 – 6 days
    • 1h 6m 20s
  • Software patents
    • 1h 9m 5s
  • Patents for Google Wallet and Bing Maps
    • 1h 9m 34s
  • Design vs Utility patent
    • 1h 10m 53s
  • Data analytics example
    • 1h 13m 15s
  • Machine or transformation test
    • 1h 17m 1s
  • international patent harmonization
    • 1h 17m 17s
  • Abstract concepts are never patentable
    • 1h 19m 37s
  • It’s tricky to read patents
    • 1h 21m 21s
  • If there’s an area of technology you like, you might want to read the patent
    • 1h 23m 17s
  • Pro se patents
    • 1h 23m 53s
  • Patently obvious
    • 1h 24m 27s
  • The funnel
    • 1h 26m 5s
  • $20K for patenting process
    • 1h 26m 17s
  • 70% get issued of that 1% who get through
    • 1h 26m 27s
  • Patent granted (probably to a big company)
    • 1h 26m 44s
  • longtechlaw.com
    • 1h 33m 55s
  • USPTO
    • 1h 34m 10s
  • Hackerboxes.com
    • 1h 34m 36s
  • @hackerboxes
    • 1h 35m 41s

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